Mix & Matchbox Episode 1 – Why We Use Figma Transcript
This is the Why We Use Figma Transcript from episode 1 of our Mix & Matchbox podcast.
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Hi! I am Brent, Feldman. And this is the Matchbox Design group podcast, that is soon to be named potentially something different. But we’re starting a podcast here at Matchbox Design Group to give you information on different tools that we use. Certainly tips tricks, things that we basically do at our company to help our clients get ahead. So today we’re actually going to be talking with our UI UX designer. Alex Shaw. Hi Alex.
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It you know is definitely it has a lot of you know similar features and stuff to figma but Alex definitely brought a very compelling case to us about you know, why the potential use it and he definitely won over the Dev team in terms of the you know the exploration of like different files and looking into them on the back end that made it just you know overwhelmingly compelling and and that’s why we actually ended up switching everything from sketch to figma way back in the day, we actually used to do stuff in Photoshop. Which? Wow, I’m super glad that we don’t do that anymore and we were using a companion tool.
Called avocado, I think and oh, avocode avocode and in avocode was good and I know there’s things like Zeppelin out there that can certainly help, you know, dig into these files and actually be a pairing to things like sketch files or figma files but at the end of the day, we actually just use figma and then the Dev team uses those figma files to end up, you know, building in constructing the websites that we put on the Web. But anyway, all that being said, You know, I I think that maybe one of the first things to address is that, you know, just as there’s a competitors like sketch, there’s also Adobe Xd and Alex, you’ve you’ve actually had an opportunity to kind of like do xd stuff as well beforehand, right?
3:30:26 pm – Alex Shaw:
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3:31:54 pm – Alex Shaw:
So, you know, and then coming out of college I learned about Figma and one of the other reasons why the kind of stood out to me versus Xd from the start was It was very collaborative whereas like Sketch, an Adobe, Xd are really for designing and obviously handing off files to developers, but Figma was actually built from the ground up with collaboration in mind.
So when you think about that and thinking about, well, eventually when I do get into a career I’m gonna be working with developers and everybody else on the team. I wanted to have some software that actually worked better with that. So that’s how I started kind of getting into FEMA. And then obviously the rest was history.
3:33:43 pm – You:
So yeah, I certainly I will second that point in being very very helpful about Figma is a tool in general and certainly think it’s it’s probably one of the best tools for collaboration. I know that, you know, sketch definitely offers things like that and more and more tools that we use are kind of getting those collaboration features, you know, so that you can see multiple people within a file. But really I think Figma is doing such a good job of it and you know, and we’ve had really, really good luck with with using it with remote teams.
So I guess that that brings us to you know the kind of the Pictures of figment in general. And I definitely feel like, you know, collaboration is you know is namely one of the highlight features. But what are some of the other features that that you like as a part of figma?
3:35:03 pm – Alex Shaw:
And as a result, you can really see how responsive the designs are from, you know, a tablet to mobile device. For instance, and something that I’ve seen compared to it which It’s not a complete one-to-one but it’s similar to like a CSS flexbox just in a design program. And we’ve really seen this being used recently in some of the projects that we’ve worked on where typically, you know, we have maybe 10 to 20 layouts given a project.
And so we create all the layouts and typically if we needed to make a change to a certain block, we’d have to go through every single page where that block is located and make the change manually and then you’d have to manually resize, the frame, bring all the elements back together, so they have the appropriate sizing and I realized that that took a lot of time to do. And so just applying auto layout to some of the components. Let’s just say, we wanted to add Additional, you know, products on a product role in the design, all I would have to do is just drop them in everything would resize perfectly and there’s no additional work that needs to be done. And I think as designers and especially figma designers start seeing how they’re improving the auto layout feature.
I mean, they started on the V1 feature, which brought some of those elements in, but it was still restrictive. And I think a couple months ago, they released me to and they’re actually starting on V3. I seen on Twitter and so they’re going to be bringing some even additional elements. So that but It is such a powerful tool to have and it makes doing iterations of your designs a lot faster.
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3:38:06 pm – Alex Shaw:
And so, going off of that, there’s also the ability to obviously create vector images in vector designs. Which is something that sketched was known for not doing very well on, you know, typically when you use sketch, a lot of people also use Illustrator in tandem with it. And so, I know that, you know, working at other companies that, you know, if we needed icons or other illustrations, we open Illustrator Try to save them out as svgs and then import them into sketch and sometimes, you know, importing them messes up the file.
But in figma, a lot of people have actually transitioned to just designing icons straight in figma and this is something that I’ve actually done it was It’s a little nerve-racking at first because you’re used to illustrator if you design icons quite often and it’s very good at doing that but figma has these things called vector networks, which are essentially, you know, the way vectors typically work is you have to go from, you know, point A to point B and then you have to connect it somewhere. Whereas figma’s vector networks, really allow you to Create complex shapes without having to reconnect the vectors.
And there are tons of examples of people on Twitter creating like insane illustrations just in Figma. And so I I just think the vectors alone is just a standout feature but they’re plug in support allows you to bring in other plugins that maybe you want to create a 3D image or maybe you want to create or do some photo editing or even bringing, you know, a gif and create a GIF. There are multiple things that you can do in Figma. So I I do think it it’s turning into almost an all-in-one you know, editing program So if I would have had to say just an all-encompassing feature, is that it’s very versatile in whatever you can do with it.
3:41:14 pm – You:
It could be duplicative to a certain extent, but like if you’re using something like Photoshop abandoning tools, you could be very familiar with moving to something else, you’re like, Oh, am I going to be able to do this, or this, or this, but it’s also it’s good to know that, you know, somebody who’s in it and doing it on a daily basis. Obviously those things exist and they’re easy to use and, and the transition it isn’t too rough. So I guess that does kind of lead us to like, you know, other things just about it in general and, and maybe, you know, the community aspect of it.
I, you know, this is kind of like the reason why we use WordPress, not only did we think it was a great cms and they have absolutely, you know, kind of wonderful, you know, ability to, you know, improve it and customize it and build it from the ground up. And we’ve been leveraging the WordPress platform for 12 years but really having a good community around something. Can mean the world, especially when you’re Looking for support for very very niche issues. So anyway, I guess. Yeah, that was something that I know you had told me before that the community something that that drew you to it.
3:42:55 pm – Alex Shaw:
Obviously, it would take a lot of time for every designer to do that on their own. And there are a lot of great people in the community who have just shared those files for everybody and it’s files that I use quite often. So the community aspect in figma itself is fantastic, you can download plugins, you can follow people see what people have created.
That aspect is good on its own, but the the meat of it really comes in Twitter when we talk about figma themselves, interacting with a lot of the users, they actually implemented something where if you actually tweet figma a certain feature, if it gets enough likes on it, they will actually implement the feature, which I feel like there could be some cons to that. Obviously, they’re not going to do anything. That’s crazy but there have been some
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So they really do listen to their customers, which is something that It tracks me to certain companies. I know there are some companies that are just wall you know? And they don’t listen to the customers at all but Figma really seems to be engaging into it and it’s a really nice to see especially in the design community.
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3:46:21 pm – Alex Shaw:
And I think these easiest example of this is, Let’s just say we’re talking about like a light mode in a dark mode if you’re creating an app. For instance, if you create the styles like you know when you actually name the styles and save them to Figma, Let’s just say you wanted to create the style of font color or background color and you save those styles as maybe white as the background color and black. As, you know, the font color.
Obviously, if you had a ridiculous amount of app designs going through and changing all that to a dark mode, would take a long time with this plugin, you can actually Apply a dark mode style and it will automatically switch out all the colors and change them from white to dark mode. And it has saved to me a lot of time, especially if I am working with the same design, but obviously, different brand colors is really where that feature comes into play and the plugin is actually built by a figma employee.
So essentially that they promise that it would always be updated because that is a common thing with plugins is that if you get to attached to a plug-in, you don’t know how long it’s going to be, you know, updated for and so at least with a lot of these plugins They are built by prominent you know community leaders in figma or interest in the design community but I think femur is a really good plugin if you need to quickly change styles.
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3:49:00 pm – Alex Shaw:
Obviously, a lot of people use Adobe After Effects for a lot of the prototype prototyping and even some other software that specifically touches on prototyping, but fig motion brings in a lot of the cool elements such as like keyframes and Bezier curves that you can utilize in figma and then export that out. As a JSON file that can be used for coding, which is really nice.
But also you can use that to save out and show a client what a particular, you know, APP interaction would be and so it does enhance the prototyping a little bit. Of course, if you’re somebody who is used to After Effects, Probably should keep you know using After Effects. There are still some limitations but it kind of just adds on to that.
The bigger one though is Automator, and I left this one for last because this is probably the most exciting plugin that I’ve ever ran into, and it was actually so exciting. That I bought the full license for it. Myself, for, you know, personal use. So essentially, Automator allows you to create automated systems using if-then statements. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with like Ifttt or US.
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Let’s just say in Excel sheets that has information. Like if we were talking about shoes, you know, you could have the shoe name, the shoe price, and maybe the size, all that implemented in an Excel sheet, you can put it into this plugin and it will automatically add in the photo and all that information directly into the design without having to type anything.
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As long as they are in the community. And so it seems like it’s probably not gonna, you know, get any, it’s not going to stop updates anytime soon but as of right now, the free version you can only do two Automations and then you’re restricted. Whereas I believe it is $80 and you can actually have unlimited lifetime Automations so,
3:52:19 pm – You:
Fill in content. Maybe where you wouldn’t have to, but I definitely I see a lot of potential value to that. I know that obviously we’ve been, you know, really big on glowing about all the wonderful things that figma can do. But you know do you see any downsides to figma, you know, or using it in general? Like in anything that you Like is just maybe, you know, not wonderful.
3:53:07 pm – Alex Shaw:
And at the time Figma hadn’t released certain features that would allow us to create variants of certain components. So we had to make a separate component for each variance of. Let’s just say a button that we wanted to create. And so will we ran into is that eventually when the file got so big? And we’re talking about thousand plus components in the file. That there’s actually a memory limit that figma implements because it is a chromium based app. And so, when we realize that we had to actually separate certain components out into a separate figma file.
Now, Figma has introduced a lot of features like I said, with the variance to kind of minimize that, but if you’re somebody, that would potentially have thousands of components in a single figma file. That’s probably not the best way to go about it and you probably will hit some kind of memory cap.
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I know that. Obviously, you introduced this to them as being a big kind of improvement, potentially universes sketch as to how they could. Interact with it exporting, You know, assets out of it. And and I know there definitely again, some similarities there, you know, but at the same time, you know, we’ve certainly gotten our Dev team on board with it. They seem to love it as well. So yeah. Anything else that you feel like is super important to note about Dev teams, you know, kind of using or leveraging figma files.
3:56:12 pm – Alex Shaw:
You actually need to have the latest native app downloaded and everybody working in the file needs to have that same version or else they can’t collaborate on there. Whereas because Figma doesn’t really necessarily have native updates in that regard. Anybody can jump in the file and you can see them working. Of course, we we have a limited amount of editors, but when it comes to our developers or anybody else on the team or even clients, they’re able to go in there, see us working in real time and be able to pull out assets. Whether that is actual design assets?
Or even the code they can pull from figma, You know? It’s, it’s always nerve-racking when you talk to developers about switching completely switching to a different program. I think people get used to the workflow of a certain program and you really do have to convince them on being able to switch. And I think even them just diving into figma and seeing everybody in there. A real-time being able to comment on the files and comment on the designs.
I didn’t have to do much work to sell them on that and as far as I know, they’ve been overjoyed by being in Figma and I don’t think anybody is sad necessarily for moving from sketch to figma.
3:58:28 pm – You:
Yeah, not only was it a smooth transition, but it’s still, you know, kind of had lasting benefits and stuff for us too. So you know, all in all obviously. Yeah, I guess you give it your resounding endorsement, huh?
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